SPOILERS: Stephenie Meyer Address Breaking Dawn 2 Battle Questions

stephenieMeyerHeadshot2Stephenie Meyer updated her website with some information about the final battle scene in Breaking Dawn Part 2.

Warning!  Spoilers!

I’m not kidding!

Don’t read on if you haven’t seen the film, please!

First, Stephenie talks about the fact that Aro actually does see a “battle” in his head as he looks at Bella.  This is the justification and the reason why the battle scene works for her and doesn’t “change” the story as she saw it.  Here is what she said:

The question, which I got frequently, was how I felt about having a big change inserted into the story during the final climax. My answer was that it didn’t feel like such a huge departure. For me, this moment is already in the book. However, we don’t get to see it in all its exciting and gory detail because we are seeing the world only through Bella’s eyes. A few of the reporters I talked to wanted to know where in the book this moment was hidden. The answer is page 738, fourth paragraph down:

“Aro stared into my eyes for a long, tense moment. I had no idea what he was searching for, or what he found, but after he had measured me for that moment, something in his face changed, a faint shift in the set of his mouth and eyes, and I knew that Aro had made his decision.”

In this short analysis, after Bella has revealed the depth of her power, Aro plays out in his head the probable outcome of a battle with the Cullens. Much like what we see in the movie, Aro foresees a more evenly matched fight than he had expected, the loss of too many of his key players, and—most unacceptable—the likelihood of his own death. Though odds are that the Volturi would have come out on top in the end, Aro wouldn’t have lived to see it and the unassailable nature of the Volturi’s authority would have been broken, possibly forever. It is this vision of the future—though imperfect guesswork on his part—that motivates his retreat.

 In case it’s been a while since you’ve read the book, the moment Stephenie is referring to is on page 738 of the hard back version. Also, Edward explains it in detail, having read Aro’s mind. You can read his explanation on pages 744-745. So it is there, as Stephenie said.  

The other issue that has had fans in a quandary is that Alice has said she can’t see the wolves or Renesmee in the future.  So then, how did she see that big battle in the first place?  We attempted to answer the question to make it fit into Stephenie’s mythology to a point.  But here is what Steph said:

Are there a few little trespasses against the mythology in this vision? Yes, as some of you have pointed out. The consensus was that a minor deviation from what had been established was forgivable in the name of entertainment. I had a few very elaborate solutions, but they were too confusing and not nearly as cinematic as the final product. And obviously, the result was very entertaining.

Stephenie also lets us in on a little secret… she would have done the ending differently!  She would have killed MORE Cullens!  I’m not sure if the fandom could have taken it, she states that killed off Edward would have made the battle and obvious unreal vision.

The post ends with a thank you to the fans:

It was really something to get to spend a little time with the fans at the BD2 events, and to watch the movie at the premiere with so many of them. It was the best experience I’ve ever had at a Twilight movie, and a perfect conclusion to my personal Twilight experience. I hope you also enjoyed the movie, and each other, for this last big bang. You, the readers and viewers, are the ones who have made this whole ten-year experience into something unbelievable and amazing, and I thank you so much for it. I hope I get to see some of you again in March (shameless The Host plug), because it makes me too sad to think that my relationship with my readers is ending, too.

So what do you think? Did this clear up anything?  Can you live with her explanation that they let the mythology go for a moment for a better cinematic effect?  And are you going to follow her to her next big movie, The Host?  Leave us a comment!

Read the whole post at StephenieMeyer.com.


  1. I’ve always seen the obvious let go of the mythology more along the lines of how Alice saw Bella as a vampire before Bella had even decided to become one. Maybe it was such a poignant path that it pushed aside the block the wolves/Renesmee may have caused. It was something that was going to happen and maybe it included a little of what Aro had deduced in his mind.

    It gave the movie it’s shock factor so I’m willing to look past it because it truly captured me in that moment. I only started thinking of all the problems with it LONG after.

    • I completely agree that I didn’t even think of the problem with the mythology of Alice’s visions until much later, actually when it was pointed out in the fandom. In the grand scheme of things, I am fine with how Stephenie Meyer and Melissa Rosenberg decided to spin it because seeing the battle really did bring a big climax to this movie. There were so many things that I hated in previous movies that are so much more stressful to me than this battle. LOL I’m much more angry that Edward (Mr. Overprotective) took Bella up in a tree in the first movie than I am about this little nuance that allowed us to see what Aro was contemplating on that snowy battlefield.

      • Remember in New Moon when Edward fights Felix & seems to be losing and Demitri is able to grab Alice when she tries to help? Yeah, see…in the books these two circumstances are unlikely, if not impossible, due Edward’s seeing the thoughts in Felix’s head & Alice’s knowing Demitri’s decision to act once it’s made. Same thing with Riley & Victoria grabbing Edward during the fight scene in Eclipse: wouldn’t happen in the book. So this is hardly the first break from the mythology of the books in the movies.

        It didn’t bother me in BD P2 {probably because I was so relieved that it WAS a vision. haha} but those two examples are some of the reasons I hated the other movies so much.

        • That stuff always bugged me! Every single time I seen someone do something to Edward I rolled my eyes or shook my head lol. I always thought ” Nope. Wouldn’t happen.” But for some reason, watching this movie… it never came to mind to be bothered by anything until other fans brought it up. Like others I was too into the film and too shocked to realize what I was seeing didn’t add up. But yay, what a great ending to one of my most favourite stories.

  2. It all made sense to me! Especially if you read the book, like I did…it just all makes sense!

  3. Elizabeth (EverythingRemindsMeOfTwilight) says:

    I LOVE that Stephenie has this all worked out from every character’s perspective! It’s so amazing to me that though she writes from Bella’s POV, she knows what everyone else is thinking, planning, and reacting to. It makes absolute perfect sense to me. And it falls in line with Bella’s character. She never “sees herself clearly” and so from her (very brief) descriptions of Edward’s retelling of Aro’s thinking, we don’t see exactly how scared Aro was.

    I’m not surprised that they ventured from the mythology with Alice. To be honest, I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner. Alice not being able to see every character limits them in a visual medium. I’m fine with it. And I love Lori’s explanation for it too. I’m sticking with her. 😉

    I am excited to look forward to the Host next. Another story from the amazing Stephenie Meyer on the big screen. 😀

  4. Didn’t bother me one bit that Alice had a vision of the battle with the wolves. I personally thought maybe it was because Bella was no longer human but now a mythical creature as a vampire since both vampire and wolves are mythical.

  5. I’m not ready for this to END… I hope in the Furtur Stephani can make another book with Jacob and Renesmee.

  6. OK… this was MY theory based on the BOOKS (NOT THE GUIDE) and the ‘progression’ of the movies

    IN BD, we learn that the shape-shifters and Renesmee have a lot in common so, for argument’s sake, we’ll say they at the shape-shifters ARE hybrids (OK?)

    When Bella is still unconscious and ? Edward ? is asking Alice how long it will be before she will wake up, Alice tells him and then she makes this statement …

    “You would be mortified, too, if you realized that you were handcuffed by your own nature. I see vampires best, because I am one; I see humans ok because I was one. But I can’t see these old half-breeds at all because they’re nothing I’ve experienced. Bah!” (BD page 382)

    stay with me here…

    we also learn that vampire abilities can ‘grow/evolve’ as evidenced by Kate (going from only having current in her palms to radiating it all over her body)

    “Staring at Renesmee again, I didn’t see it when the vase slipped from Alice’s fingers.” (BD page 543)

    SO… Alice HAD a vision with Renesmee IN THE ROOM

    Finally, Alice was with Renesmee every day for three months and then with Nahuel for however long it took them to get back to Forks…

    My theory, Alice LEARNED to SEE the hybrids

    • Laina, I agree with your theory. I never had a problem with the fight scene in the movie once I got over the shock and realized it WAS Alice’s vision. My only disappointment was with the fact that I don’t feel they showed us enough of Bell’s vampire “talent”. Her having such an ability and being such a powerful vampire was what ALL the books had lead up to and I feel that the ball was dropped. BUT, love love loved it just the same!

    • radiowidow says:

      Laina, I really like your theory about Alice developing her visionary skills over time so that it now includes hybrids. Thank you for sharing!

  7. I will follow SM and see The Host movie and read any sequels.

    I do not object to the battle scene. I do still object to Alice seeing the wolves and Renesmee without any explanation in the movie. A line or two in the movie would have helped. I think it was a quick easy solution for them. I had been tossed out of ‘suspend disbelief for movie mode’ when the Cullens abandoned Bella to visit with Charlie alone. Those two things were important and I was really disappointed that they were done so far from the book. BD1 was closer to the book, I expected the same in BD2. TL reviews had said that the battle / explanation fit and was satisfactory, raised my hopes that is was not going to be the quick easy way out it was. I obviously disagree with those comments. I personally like Camilla’s explanation in her story Seeing the Wolves on fanfiction.net.

    As I understand it, Alice’s vision of the Volturi coming did not involve Renesmee or the wolves. She couldn’t see them or people close to them in her visions, but they did not necessarily block her from seeing visions with them not in the vision. Alice learning/expanding her gift is a fair and possible explanation.

    • I agree with you 110%. The minute they showed it as Alice’s vision I was thinking, “UH, she can’t see the wolves or Nessie!” It totally threw me off.

  8. Yeah, the scene was so enjoyable I can ignore the wolves!

  9. Actually, almost all of the people in the theatre I saw it in reacted very negatively to the vision-battle. There were quite a lit of “no ways” and “oh come ons.”

  10. I didn’t have a problem with Alice seeing the wolves are Renesmee during the battle since she could be reading the other peoples minds around them allowing her to see the wolves actions. My problem was the ending vision of the future Jacob and Renesmee. How could she see that?

  11. Jacob Ester says:

    I agree with Stephenie. I feel like /realistically/ more Cullens would’ve died. I understand Bill Condon is a filmmaker, and, as such, recognizes that films need “fist pump” moments for the audiences to cheer for, like watching the bad guys get their just desserts. But the Volturi are most definitely the more powerful side, in both numbers and abilities, and the Cullens definitely shouldn’t have gotten off as easy as they did.

    Also, with how much emotional impact Mr. Condon gave the deaths we already got, I would’ve loved to have seen how he would’ve treated Edward’s death.

  12. Or if you have my version of the hardback & paperback which doesn’t got up past page 702 (don’t know if the uk version differs from the US version), its the last paragraph of page 684. And I cannot see anywhere other than the part Edward says that Aro was unsettled because of Bella, he doesn’t really go into detail, other than to say that thanks to Bella they were defended well.

    I was seriously upset When the battle scene started, it was bad enough with Carlisle, but then Jasper and Seth was the final straw. I seriously considered walking out, but then wondered (more like frantically hoped it was a vision) having seen the film, I really enjoyed it knowing the outcome, but I definately need to see it again to truly enjoy it now I know they are all safe 🙂

  13. I didn’t think about Alice seeing the wolves in her vision until it was pointed out to me too, though I suppose I can forgive that for the sake of making it cinematic. Am I the only one who questions the fact that if Aro read Alice’s mind he should have known about Nahuel and Huilen before they walked out? As for the vision itself, while I understand why they did it, and I figured out it was a vision about 20 seconds after Carlisle died, I did not enjoy watching it. As a fan of the book, it was horrible seeing such great characters dying, whether it was really happening or not, and I would imagine that people who haven’t read the book may have felt cheated when they found out it was a vision.

  14. Oh you guys are all so silly! I read the books, saw the movies, and I always just enjoyed the entertainment of it. It’s just a story. The movies complement the books, and v/s. Stephenie is so long winded (like JK Rowling) the movies are almost better! But if you had not read the books you never would ever get the story from the movies. Loved pt 2!

  15. for the last four years i have been following the strict rule i invented for myself: first see the movie, than read the book it is based on. i stayed almost fully spoilers-free. so i went to see BD2 a week ago and THAN read the final book. never regretted following the order, never gave up to the temptation. so i have to say BD2 is an amazing movie on it’s own. the battle scene needed to be visualized for the entertaining purpose and it’s been done in the best possible way. i wish it would be much longer and had every small detail from the book.. heck, i wish it never ever ended *sigh* i watched the movie in the theater with people of dif. ages, they all gasped and screamed the moment Carlisle was killed, everyone was devastated by every lost the Cullens endured. popcorn and coke never made their presence 🙂 … than we knew it was Alice’s vision someone shouted “are you kidding me” .. i liked the feeling of being on the same page with others …the same scenes in the book are very interesting, filling and imaginative, they fit in the story and there is nothing else that could, should or have to be said. the story is complete..it had to be ended at some point..unfortunately :….(.
    and of course i want to see The Host, how else?:)

    • I totally agree w you about seeing the movie first. It’s always best to read “the rest of the story” in the book, because they have to leave so much out of the movie. I had already read most of the books, like a lot of people. What I meant about not getting the story if you just saw the movies was that in the books you understand the hypnotic hold that Edward has on Bella. And you really get their personalities through all the conversations they have—very little conversations in the movies! Loved the story and will miss it so much!

      • Elizabeth says:

        I completely agree with you and I’ve said that to people I’ve talked to many times. The movies are great in their own right but they never fully explain…well…pretty much anything. They are entertaining but I always try to step back after I watch each movie and think “ok, if I hadn’t read the book what wouldn’t I understand?” And I always have quite a few things on that list. My husband doesn’t read books at all, for some reason he doesn’t think it’s fun (I can’t even wrap my head around that, lol) but even he after seeing the movies with me he asks TONS of questions, and even for a fleeting moment seriously considered reading the book just to “Get It”.

        And I agree with “Just Me” completely… I’ve read the books first and then watched movies plenty of times, but now I always try to do it the other way around. Its just so much more enjoyable that way.

  16. My favourite theory of how Alice can see Renesmee & Jacob’s future stems from Alice’s statement:
    “But I can’t see these old half-breeds at all because they’re nothing I’ve experienced. Bah!”(BD page 382)
    Yet when Renesmee is born, she uses her power to show everyone her memories from her own perspective. Therefore, in a way Alice can ‘experience’ life as a half-breed.


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