Defending The Twilight Saga

moviefone-logo-195x68For the Summer Sequel Smack Down being hosted at Moviefone, I was asked to offer my opinions as to way the varies films in the Twilight Saga were better than the other films they were matched up against.  All for match ups are featured at HuffPost.  Here is what I wrote for Breaking Dawn Part 1 vrs Deathly Hallows Part 1:

Potter verses Twilight. How many times has this been debated? I’m a fan of both, so it’s hard to pick one franchise. However, this debate isn’t about the franchise as a whole; it’s about these two specific films. In this case, The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn Part 1 wins over Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 1. I could debate this comically, and break down how Bella and Edward’s wedding was leaps and bounds better than Bill and Fluer’s. I could joke about how the only real “romance” we got in Deathly Hallows was when Horcurx!Harry made out with Horcrux!Hermione, while we got full-on, headboard-breaking sex in Breaking Dawn Part 1. But I really do thinkBreaking Dawn Part 1 deserves legitimate consideration this time. What makes Breaking Dawn Part 1 so special as a film is that it literally hits on every major point in a young woman’s life when it comes to relationships: Marriage, making love for the first time, becoming pregnant, and delivering the child. The film even goes a step further in having Bella fight for the life of her unborn child at the risk of her own life, something rarely seen in Hollywood. It’s a female-driven storyline about the most life-changing events that happen for a female, and it’s aimed at a female fanbase. I think it was an important film for that very reason. I can’t deny that Deathly Hallows Part 1 didn’t move me when Ron left or when Dobby died. Sure it did. But watching Bella literally waste away and eventually die was so much more chilling on screen than it was the book. The birth scene alone should have granted the film an “R” rating, and yet Bill Condon managed to pull it off in a way that worked to keep the film at its PG-13 status. And then came the ending! Oh, what an ending! Splitting up a large book into two movies always makes fans wonder where the first film will end. I was highly displeased and a bit confused with the choice of where Deathly Hallows Part 1 ended, but Breaking Dawn Part 1 had the perfect ending. So, this round goes to the Breaking Dawn Part 1.

Read the rest of the match ups at HuffPost and let me know if I missed any very important points!  If any of the Twilight films wins their round, I will have to write more on why they should win in round 2.  I am open to suggestions and want to form the best arguments possible!  

Also, don’t forget to vote for the Twilight Saga at the Summer Sequel Smackdown!  

Comments

  1. Deathly Hallows part 1
    2 oscar nominees and 79% on rottentomatoes
    Breaking Dawn part 1
    8 razzie nominees and 24% on rottentomatoes

    that says it all!

    • YES. Breaking Dawn is definitely the winner in this… I was pretty disappointed at Deathly Hallows, actually. :/

  2. Elizabeth (EverythingRemindsMeOfTwilight) says:

    Enjoyed your thoughts on this and all the other match-ups, Lori! Thanks!

    And remember folks, the New Moon Graphic Novel came out this week. :)

  3. I agree with what you wrote, and I would put it this way: Harry Potter is epic fantasy through the filter of everyday life (bureaucracy, certificates, contests), while Twilight is about life passages – first love, first breakup, marriage, parenthood – through a fantastical lens. They’re very different approaches to the intersection of fantasy and the everyday, and which those resonates more is an individual thing.

  4. Shanna says:

    It’s always nice to see someone defending the Twilight Saga:) And I really did like a lot of the points you made here. The biggest one for me, though, was that I think Breaking Dawn Part 1 worked better as its own film than DH1 did.

    Don’t get me wrong! I love Harry Potter (even more than Twilight, if I’m being honest), and this was a really hard choice for me, too, but in the end I’m going with BD1. As I said, I think it stood better on its own than DH1 did, BECAUSE Stephenie had divided Breaking Dawn into three separate books, whereas HP7 was all one story. Because of that, I actually felt like Deathly Hallows Part 1 was really slow (and a bit boring and just depressing at times), and I could clearly see how much they struggled to have SOME sort of climax at Malfoy Manner at the end.

    While I won’t deny Breaking Dawn had some of these issues, too, I think it worked out just a tad bit better. Honestly, there were SO many plot points in BD, and it wouldn’t have worked as one film. I think it could’ve worked for DH, however (though I wouldn’t have been as happy with the product), because I feel like the first DH movie is a ton of buildup for the second part, and part 2′s just the big battle at Hogwarts pretty much: I don’t think there was sufficient enough story to cover in each one, and this is coming from someone who LOVES DH2 better than almost any movie, and would have actually chosen THAT one over Twilight if it was up against it, but I digress.

    Anyway, because of the reasons I stated above, I actually liked BD1 better than DH1, and think the split worked better with Twilight. And honestly, though there WERE some slow moments in BD1, I actually thoroughly enjoyed them, as I think they flushed out the characters and stories in areas where it desperately needed it.

    • britney says:

      one more things for splitting of books. HP did it first. Twilight did a copy cat and with HP it was not something that they just brought up, the HP crew were planning on splitting the 4th book, goblet of fire.

      If HP had not been split…breaking dawn would not have been split either same goes for hunger games mockingjay.

      DH 2 is a masterpeice it has a score of 96/100 on RT and 89/100 on metacritic with a box offfice of 1.3 billion dollars.

      BD 2 got poor to mixed reviews and grossed 830,000,000 dollars.

      Like I said HP had both the QUALITY and the QUANTITY.
      .

  5. General rant on these type of things….what exactly are you voting for?
    The best movie of the pair? The most anticipated sequel? Your favorite one? The best one that could possibly stand alone? The best and your favorite are not always going to be the same. One uses different criteria for the different questions. Different people will answer the first question differently and vote differently – and one could end up wonder how in heck one won over the other.

    Halek’s comments are a nice way to look at the differences between the two sagas. There is much in common in both sagas as well.

    HP was ok both book and movies. For me the hard choice comes from LoR movies.
    Off to read about the other match ups.

  6. radiowidow says:

    I really dislike these contests. It’s like we have to paint ourselves into a corner instead of being the well-rounded lovers of sci-fi/fantasy that we are. It’s like asking which child is our favorite when each one has a place in our hearts because they each have something unique to share that touches us.

  7. Marion says:

    I knew it was going to be tricky trying to adapt DH and BD, because they’re both over seven hundred pages long. Not every plot point was going to end up in either adaptation and I was happy with what they did included from the book, There were some details that were missing, that was clearly there in both books and the films either glossed over these details or decided not to mention them completely. In BD part 1, both Bella and Jacob’s narrations are missing, yet the “film” plot flows smoothly enough that for those that haven’t read the book wouldn’t know it’s missing. In Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows part 1, they sped up destroying the first horcrux, which is something that should have happened in the novel in the first place. While I’m glad we have the extended cut of BD part 1, not that much was cut that was relevant to the plot. However I have to say the scene where Edward makes breakfast for Bella should have been kept in the theatrical version, because it was an early hint that would soon come into play later on. Adapting a novel is never easy and if we saw some of the earlier drafts of the screenplay, we would see what details were there, that they ultimately decided were not necessary to the film storyline.

  8. Christina says:

    Did they SEE the sex scenes in Breaking Dawn? Enough said.

  9. I’ve read the whole review but I have to disagree about Return of the King – everyone who’s watched the whole trilogy knows why they couldn’t have just flown to Mt. Doom. Because of the Nazghuls.

    The massive flying dragon-like monsters with Ringwraith riders guarded the skies and when Sauron becomes aware of Frodo, he sends them to attack him but they are too late and are destroyed together with the Ring, being tied to Sauron. That’s why the could fly OUT, as they were dead but not in. Their power had been great and high chances are, they would have killed the Eagles if they tried to fly across Mordor (not to mention that they would have been spotted immediately, unlike the sneaky Frodo/Sam/Golum recon – just try looking up and missing a huge convoy of Eagles (or even one, which would have had no chances against nine or less Nazghuls, thus logically more would have been deployed).

    Sauron and Saruman also had the power to control the weather, in LOTR 1 you can see the conjured snowstorm that even Gandalf is unable to pass and thus they have to go through Moria. Imagine the Eagles flying in such bad weather condition. The Eagles are also sentient beings, so they’d have to actually agree to embark upon such a dangerous (and most probably suicidal) task.

    Lastly, there had been many towers, sentries which could have spotted the eagles in the sky and shot at them, including all those siege weapons with catapults.

  10. britney says:

    Sorry but Potter is a superior series to twilight that is not even a opinion it is a statement of pure fact. HP was a world with so much hardship ,depth and subtance.

    Also have you seen the scene of the tale of the three brothers? The scene that perhaps gave potter the Oscar nomination for best art direction while twilight was busy getting all the Razzes for worst in films

    The moral story of the three brother is superior to anything breaking dawn part 1 ever did. Then there is rotten tomatoes,metacartic and more.

    HP has a high critical reception something twilight never ever achieved.

    Am sorry but the only people that think that any part of twilight is superior to HP are teen girls. sadly the world has spoken.

    HP has both the quality and the quantity, Twilight could not even beat any HP film at the global box office when you adjust all HP and Twilight films by inflation. The lowest grossing HP film is $947,000,000 that is higher than any of the Twilight films.

    As for going through hardship ,I would say the HP characters had it worse because in HP it was not all fairy tale while with twilight it is still fairy tale, HP characters suffered more and endured so much pain and sorrow and unlike Bella they didn’t get everything they wanted.

    Harry lost loved ones (his parents, god father,mentor)…Bella lost nothing

    Ron lost his brother…Bella lost nothing

    Hermione gave up her parents to protect them and worse Hermione was totoured because she was a mudblood…bella still got everything she wanted and became like a queen.

    Twilight isn’t even up to to the standard of hunger games talkless harry potter.

    Also again for those saying twilight is about life passges,i will add HP had more real life passages than twilight.

    HP dealt with may real issues like, racism, social class, poltical corruption, death, slavery and so much more.Voldemort is based on hitler and his death eaters are based on KKK. I could go on.

    Also again the romance is HP is much more belivable and realastic. Ron and Hermione where two awkard teens that fell in love in the spoace of 7 years. Bella and Edward where the hottest boy and girl in school that feel in love within months.

    Harry Potter is a masterpiece that will be timless and timely…I cant say the same for the twilight series. Even rob partisan has begin to distance himself from twilight.

    sorry.

    • I think you are totally right and also some of the facts that have been said not in your comment but in the writing piece was wrong.

      And yes, HP is far more considerable and wins totally as yes, I like Twilight to a certain extent but I thought the HP books were much much much more gripping and had many different points while as Twilight has sparkling vampires, shape-shifters and humans. That is it and the only real big threat is the Volturi. The movies weren’t great at all. The only one I liked was Twilight as that was the first one and okay. Harry Potter had many different threats – death eaters, betrayal and all that. Bella lost no one. She still was able to see her father Charlie after her change.

      Harry at the age of one years old, lost his parents and then went to his aunt and uncle’s where he was kept under the stairs for a long time and hidden away from sight. Then at the age of eleven, his whole life changed and he found out that his parents never died in a car accident – they were killed. The list goes on for many different characters in the Harry Potter series.

      The only people that have died in Twilight so far are James, Victoria, Laurent, unnamed new-borns, Harry Clearwater, unnamed humans in New Moon, Bree and Irina Denali. That isn’t compared to the loss in HP as many died even ones that didn’t have names in the books were still important. It shows political issues, death, betrayal, loyalty and above all friendship. What does the Twilight characters show??

      • You’re fully and completely entitled to your opinion, but (in my own opinion) I can’t agree with the assessment. Twilight’s conflicts were largely more internal in nature – the external conflicts were either just icing or served to enhance the internal conflict in some way. That HP has a higher body count and more varied external threats doesn’t immediately equate better. Some will respond more to one than another (it’s pretty safe to say that you and I would be good examples of each).

        To my mind, Twilight explores Love (in such a large host of different aspects that it’s not truly fair to boil it down to one word), Politics and power (in a pyschological sense), Respect (both forced and learned), Perception (gift vs curse and what you do with it), and Choice (and not just Edward vs. Jacob)., though that one is tied to almost all of the other things I mentioned. You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m sure there are more – that’s just off the top of my head.

        As I said, you are fully entitled to your opinion of both series, as I am mine (overall, I side with those who prefer not to compaer as I enjoyed both quite a bit, though Twilight is much more to my taste). The only thing that bothers me is that art (no matter how loose of a definition you may feel I have of it, I speak in the broader sense) and fiction is all about interpretation – on both the part of the creator and the recipient. That makes all perceived “truth” or “fact” from it a very relative, flexible thing.. or to be more precise, it is simply opinion.

        • Excellent response Jamie. Harry Potter and Twilight both focus on one central character, but as you point out, they differ in scope. Harry Potter engages in an on-going external battle with a fearsome nemesis on a more epic scale, though he does have internal struggles/obstacles to overcome from time to time as he comes to grips with the expectations put upon him and the past that burdens him. On the other hand, Bella’s primary struggles are internal and/or relational rather than external. Still, over the course of the saga, she also encounters external threats in the form of vindictive and power-hungry vampires, but the focus of the story remains how she, specifically, deals with the fears, challenges and conflicts she faces. Harry Potter is, in many ways, grand and inspiring and dark and exciting, but Twilight is, for many people, more relatable. It plays to emotions, relationships and life events and choices that most people can either closely identify with or look forward to. All things considered, one style or scope is not automatically better than the other. They are both fantasies, but they appeal to individuals in different ways. It makes no more sense to down-play Twilight simply because it centers around more internal and psychological conflicts, than it would be to say that Jane Austen’s renowned works were less significant than those of Hemingway or Fitzgerald, for example, simply because one was about the life, love, family and class struggles faced by women and the others about war and its aftermath. Different focal points, but no less interesting, moving, appealing or valuable as great literary works.

        • Btw:

          Definition of Compaer: To estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between – as typed by someone who should do a better job proof-reading.. :p

    • BoloRei says:

      This x1000000000.

      Thank you! You nailed everything!

  11. I am amazed at first round results. Unfortunately makes for less of Lori’s writing. :-(

  12. I’m sorry: the romance in HP? Really realistic? I always felt this is the one aspect in HP that JK didn’t get right. It felt like oh yeah, these are teenagers and they have to fall in love, but I’ll just gloss over it as a matter of fact. There is no romance in HP. Its convenient that they have all paired off in the epilogue. I’ll admit Twilight can be a very cheesy romance, but it is a romance first and foremost. And not a realistic one either. It’s a fantasy and it’s meant for fun, though I do think there are some deeper issues to be looked at if you are willing to objectively look under the shiny, sparkling surface.

  13. Really, HP and TS are apples and oranges. I like what Halek said: “Harry Potter is epic fantasy through the filter of everyday life (bureaucracy, certificates, contests), while Twilight is about life passages – first love, first breakup, marriage, parenthood – through a fantastical lens.” Beautifully put, and a perfect summation of the two.

    Speaking as a 33 year-old male (yes, that’s right – male), I enjoyed both very much, but Twilight resonates with both my wife and I much more (we seek out and get Twilight merch, but not HP – though we do have the movies). I saw the first Twilight movie before reading the books, and I found that many of the layers and subtleties from the book actually did make in to the screen in some way (not all, but many), which is rare for book-to-movie translations.

    For a series that gets panned for being too one note and cheesy, I personally found a good deal more substance and (again) layers to the character psychologies than most care to delve into. Art, however, is subjective and there are no real facts in their evaluation – I know what I see in the Twilight Saga, and I also know that not everyone will share that view. It’s not truth, just “my truth.”

    All of what I’ve said is meant with no disrespect intended at all, just sharing my own thoughts as a Twilight fan. I will say I find the poll results to be both expected and a bit dissapointing – but then again, I don’t need a poll to tell me what “my truth” should be. ;)

    • Surferchick says:

      Jamie, do you have an older twin brother who’s available? ;)

      • Haha – unfortunately, I do not… but one of my best friends has also read the Twilight books, and while not as into them as I am, he did enjoy both the books and movies, and makes a pretty good Twi-geek (that’s a compliment, by the way – I wear my own Twi-geekdom with pride ;) ), and we’ve been wanting to introduce him to someone nice. :)

        For the age part, there’s always the joke I told at the Twilight conventions: I’ve been 17 for 16 years (we’re Team Edward, if you couldn’t tell, lol). :D

        We’re from Iowa, and want to throw some sort of Twilight party in August, so if you all find my wife Ronda and I on Facebook, be sure to say hi!

  14. Marion says:

    Bravo, Me and Jamie, bravo my friends. That’s been my feelings about the ending of the HP series, for the last six years. JKR just slapped it together at the last minute and it left a lot of people scratching their heads over the reasons she gave for her ending. Twilight gets panned as just a cheesy romance and it is a fantasy romance, but at least there’s honesty and a strong bond of love for family. It is meant to be read for fun and that’s why we love it so much. There is a great deal of alchemic symbolism in the series, you just have to look deeper other than view it as a story about “sparkly vampires”. I felt a real sense of closure without a lot of questions left to be answered and that’s what made reading the Twilight saga a joy for me.

    • To be fair, I did enjoy the HP movies (disclosure: have not read the books at this time). It didn’t really feel thrown together to me. I just didn’t get nearly the same feeling from HP that I did from the Twilight movies (can’t compare the books, obviously, since i’ve just read the Twilight books). Being a songwriter, Twilight has even inspired songs for me – and something that’s “just fit for a teen audience” really wouldn’t inspire that.. another reason why I see the series as more GA (general audience) than YA (young adult).

      Not to derail the comments, but as an aside: one thing you mention about closure (which I largely agree with) reminds me of a question I’d love an answer to at some point if I ever have the chance to ask it of Stephenie… I’ve always found it odd that the Volturi (in the books) mention specifically the “children of the moon” as not being the same as the Wolf pack(s) we meet in Forks.. I wonder if she ever (at any point, however brief) considered that as foreshadowing for future ideas? Just thinking out loud. :)

      • Jamie, have you read SMs Official Illustrated Guide? I believe in her backstory for Caius she goes into much more detail on his encounters with the “children of the moon.” I haven’t read it in a while, but I think he was attacked and almost “killed” by one and then embarked on a vendetta against them, hunting them almost to extinction? (Like I said, it’s been awhile.) All that to say, I don’t think that comment at the end of BD was foreshadowing so much as it was a nod to the past, Aro reminding Caius of his knowledge of and experience with “actual” werewolves so that he would carefully make note of the differences between them and the shape-shifters (Wolf pack) before getting himself into an argument that would hold no weight.

        • Oh, absolutely – I actually finished it before Ronda! lol

          It does go into more detail (which you’ve recounted nicely, not to worry!), and you’ve reached the same “most probable conclusion” that I did. Although, since she chose to close the Volturi’s question of the packs’ existence by off-handedly “introducing” a whole species/genre of character that we never knew existed before in that universe (and so close to the “end” of the series), it got me thinking of so many ways for the series to continue, with the potential end result being the Cullens as the largest coven and the de facto “new guiding force” of vampiric life (that skips a lot of other potential story points I thought of, but had to put that main idea out there, lol).

          Since the guide was released several years later and with assistance, it got me wondering if there was more to her original intention. Most likely not, but I would love to know if it ever crossed her mind. :)

          • She also alludes, at the end of BD, to an inevitable future conflict with the Volturi. Aro’s pride and desire for power cannot indefinitely withstand defeat such as that suffered at the hands of the Cullens…and I would love to know if SM knows how and when that would play out. Rather than the potential story-lines of Leah and Seth and/or Jacob and Renesmee (which I would probably read nonetheless), I could ALWAYS read more about the vampires!!! =)

          • Exactly, Dawn. :) (hopefully this appears below your post, as I can’t reply directly to yours since the thread must be too far in for the comment software)

            Some things I thought about, for possibilities to complicate the story:

            1. Aro’s thirst for revenge, and thus his focus on the Cullens, allows Vladimir and Stefan to elude the Volturi’s watch (somehow?) and hatch a plan to “breed” werewolves (children of the moon) to unleash on the Volturi. If this plan gets out of hand, are Jacob and the wolves better equipped than the vampires to handle it? And what happens if/when a “real” werewolf bites a wolf-shifted member of the pack? If it’s an endless cycle of wolf and werewolf, can Carlisle find a way to stop it?

            2. What if a person, unknown (or seemingly unknown) to the Vampire world, appeared professing to have a cure for vampirism? Besides not knowing if the person does have what they claim or is just trying to kill vampires, it could present some interesting internal issues: what do you truly want, and how badly? (particularly for Rosalie); trying to find the answer to the question of exactly what vampirism is: is it truly an evil, soul-destroying curse? Or are the answers more ambiguous?

            I’m also interested in Renesemee and the members of the packs, but this kind of thing would allow us to see that, while not losing Bella, Edward, and the Cullens as central characters (that’s what I’m most wanting to read, too!).

  15. Switzerland says:

    I am really enjoying these comments (mainly because it is all we have left since the books and movies are sadly “over’)…..I am a BIG Harry Potter fan, but Twilight will always be my favorite series and so it almost bothers me that there are these “contests” as to which series is better…can’t we just say that they are ALL great?!?! I think a more productive discussion would to be ask ourselves (even though this has been done a few times), “What is the Twilight movie (in your opinion) that best reflects the spirit of Twilight?” I can already start the ball rolling by saying I am one of the minorities who say the first Twilight movie is and will always be my favorite (I could literally write a book as to why it is my favorite!)….I just watched it last night for about the thousandth time :-) p.s. Jamie from Iowa, that is SO neat that you are a 33 year old married male who, without shame, shares the Twilight passion with his wife :-)

    • The first movie is easily my favorite, a modest budget indie movie with auteur touches (blue tint, unusual camerawork) directed by a big fan who also helped assemble the cast. And the best soundtrack.

      The quintessential Twilight franchise movie is arguably Eclipse since it has it all: the love triangle, a big battle scene, Volturi, Victoria, Jessica, Renee, wolves, flashbacks, wedding stuff (the proposal) and both high school and post-high school.

  16. Good idea! Hmm.. that is a tough one, as I really enjoyed all of the movies (besides my first watch of “New Moon” since the book was “1-week fresh” in my head at the time… though I enjoy it now, lol).. I do think the first movie is likely the best pick: it sets the tone and lays the groundwork for the others to play in. As beautiful cinematically as the others are, who knows what they would have been like without that? Knowing Hollywood and what they generally do to books (or had before JKR and SM), it would not have been good.

    Excellent point on Eclipse though, Halek. It’s hard to pick because each deals with such a different theme and aspect of the relationships: New Moon: the lengths Edward will go to for Bella’s sake (which inspired a song for me) regardless of the cost to himself – and the height of his self-loathing and self-persecution – as well as the opening of other possibilities for Bella ; Breaking Dawn 1: the culmination of their love, just for a new unexpected chapter to open up and the challenges therein – BD 2: that life is complicated even when you think you’ve figured it all out, and (for Jacob) that painful and heartbreaking experiences can pave the way for something beautiful and meaningful in the long run, and in a way you never thought you’d like until it happens.

    Overall, I think Twilight or Eclipse are probably the best answers, but I’d have a hard time picking one.

    Great question!

    • Jamie,

      I just love that you care enough about the series to engage in discussion and analyze it! =) I (33) have read all the books to my husband (35) and we’ve watched all the movies many, many times. He enjoys them moderately well, considers them good entertainment, was relatively impressed with the depth of backstory/mythology and interested in the political analogies that arise from the Volturi’s presence/actions…but I can’t tell you how many times I’ve wished he would just get into a real “break down” of the books/movies with me! (Currently reading him the Divergent series and, hoping to spark some discussion, I recently asked him which of the male main characters from the books we’ve read he most related to…his characteristically dry, and amused, response was, “Well, they are all fictitious, so I can’t possibly identify with any of them.” Sigh…he’s a good sport though. ;)

      At any rate, excellent points, all. There are so many meaningful and important underlying themes in each book individually and in the series as a whole, and it has always been a significant point of frustration for me that critics continually overlook (or choose not to see) that they are there and really beautifully and intricately woven into the very unique books and their adapted scripts. There is much in the Saga to appreciate and enjoy WITHOUT being constantly compared to the other major series…and if critics truly think it’s just a silly story about sparkly vampires who endlessly attend high school, then they don’t know what they are missing!

      • Thank you! Twilight definitely left an impression on us – we went to all the conventions in the midwest that we could (we want to put one of those together someday, too, if possible), even camped out in LA for Breaking Dawn 2, and I was Aro in the last Hillywood parody (although I usually was Edward in the costume contests, as that’s who I most identify with). (Probably going to Forks this Sept, too, in case anyone else is – and if so, we’ll see you there!)

        Interesting that he enjoys the series, but the fictional nature is a cut off. That’s not unheard of, some people prefer to keep fact and fiction separate, moreso as it pertains to themselves. I do have one suggestion, possibly (might work, might not, and I’m just putting this out as an idea).. you’d mentioned that you read the books to him. I find that I have a harder time getting into audio books because it’s someone else’s voice – but reading gives my own interpretation of how the words are said and read, and puts me more in the story and internalizes the characters. Perhaps he’s the same way? Like I said, that’s just a thought, and I hope I’ve properly conveyed that I mean absolutely no disrespect with my suggestion, just trying to help. :)

        Comparisons come from many different things. Often it’s self-justification of one type or another, and that’s very much “human” (if a bit frustrating at times) – we have a passion for something and we want to see it on top, or at least appreciated. Since few fan bases are as passionate as the Twilight and Harry Potter fan bases, that makes it an easy way for polls and sites to get attention from all of us as fans of the various properties. For those who like or respect more than one, it can be maddening from multiple sides to be Team Switzerland. ;)

        • You are probably very right about reading versus hearing. I am that way myself. I much prefer reading. My husband, however, is not a reader. He has dyslexia and always struggled with assigned reading in school. He can do it for work, etc. but it’s slow-going and, therefore, not enjoyable to him as it feels more taxing than a relaxing pastime. So, in order to share it with him, I read books aloud after I have enjoyed them myself. In this way we’ve both been able to enjoy LOTR, HP, Twilight, THG and the Divergent series. It would be easier (and probably more effective) if he read them himself, but it probably wouldn’t happen, and he admits that. So, this is a happy compromise, and I don’t mind doing it! (Thank you for the suggestion though. ;) Absolutely no offense taken.)

          As for being able to relate to fictional characters…I am quite certain he could if he chose too. He’s a very smart man, and I think he just likes teasing me a bit with those types of responses. For people who don’t know him well, they often don’t catch or understand his sarcastic wit and humor. But I understand. A little exasperating when I want to have a good literary discussion, but that’s what forums like this (and book clubs!) are good for! =)

          (Amusingly enough, in response to my question of which characters from Twilight, THG, Divergent, etc. he would understand/relate to most…he replied that, honestly, he understood the political leaders (ie. Volturi, Snow/Coin, etc.) the most because their motivations and resulting actions and manipulations are so relevant and eerily realistic. It boggles his mind that people can read these books and not see the real-world applications!)

          Glad that you and your wife have had so much fun with it! =)

          • Dawn, thank you for sharing that with me! :) I think it’s wonderful that you read to him, so he can still experience it. Very cool!

            Ah, I see (on the teasing). I wondered if that might not be part of it, but I do also know some very smart people that would rather not relate to fiction personally, so I thought I’d mention it (like you said, if he chose to).

            Interesting to hear more of his answer on the Volturi, and a very astute observation. There’s a lot in the books that draw from (or fit to) “real-world” psychological parallels. That all of the characters have relatable patterns in their own way is one of the best strengths of the book. There are a few things that Edward does in Eclipse that at first glance you’d think “wow, not many people would do that,” but fully understanding his character motivations bring it into sharp clarity. :)

            And you are absolutely right – forums like this are perfect for literary discussion! :)

  17. AliceKikiCullen says:

    How about we don’t compare the two to each other b/c they are IN DIFFERENT AREAS OF YA?!!! I AM SO SICK OF thiS!!! Plus, I thought you were above this Twilight Lexicon. Bad enough is see Twilight vs Potter on MUGGLENET now you are buying into this!!!???!!! Really disappointed in you.

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    The only thing I would say you missed is that Bella didn’t die in the books and Edward NEVER lost faith that she would live once he started injecting her with the venom. In the movie he’s all “come back baby…” ugh… hate that.

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